for extremely small SIGMA values VASP might have difficulties to converge to the correct atomic ground state.

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for extremely small SIGMA values VASP might have difficulties to converge to the correct atomic ground state.

#1 Post by hszhao.cn@gmail.com » Sat Apr 20, 2024 2:12 am

I noticed the following description here:
Mind: Look at the right value for the energy. It is not F=E+ \sigma S, which contains a "meaningless" entropy term, but the energy E. If SIGMA is very small both values are the same, but for extremely small SIGMA values VASP might have difficulties to converge to the correct atomic ground state.
I'm puzzled by the description: "but for extremely small SIGMA values VASP might have difficulties to converge to the correct atomic ground state" and not sure whether it is caused by numerical instabilities or an insufficient detailed treatment of near-zero entropy effects.

Any further explanations and clarifications will be helpful.

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Zhao

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Re: for extremely small SIGMA values VASP might have difficulties to converge to the correct atomic ground state.

#2 Post by michael_wolloch » Wed Apr 24, 2024 2:07 pm

Dear Zhao,

smaring has several useful features, e.g. in helping with Brillouin zone integration on a finite grid where a fictitious electronic temperature is used to "smear out" the discontinuous integrant to a smooth function. Usually a larger smearing results in better converging electronic SCF cycles, but introduces a larger (fictitious) entropic term. See e.g. Phys. Rev. B 107 195122, and references therein for more information about different smearing methods.

For a single atom and a single k point, the problem with very small smearing is touching on the limitation of the density mixer. Consider two orbitals that are very close in energy and close to the Fermi level. Let's say one of them is occupied, which changes the potential, which in turn changes the energy levels slightly, and now the other orbital is lower than the Fermi level, while the occupied one is pushed up. Then the occupation would jump, and this might go back and forth ad-infinite.

Smearing ensures that both states (remember, they are very close in energy) are partially occupied, the potential is smoothly updated, and convergence can happen.

So it is not a question of numerics, or not dealing with the fictitious entropic term correctly, but a question of partial occupancies and SCF stability.

Let me know if this leaves you less puzzled,
Michael

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Re: for extremely small SIGMA values VASP might have difficulties to converge to the correct atomic ground state.

#3 Post by hszhao.cn@gmail.com » Thu Apr 25, 2024 1:49 am

Dear Michael,

Got it. Thank you very much.

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Zhao

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